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Diana Shmulburd's avatar

Agamemnon’s offer is irrelevant both for Achilles honour and his glory. If he has made his choice to die for glory (rather than live a long and quiet life) then the offer is meaningless - especially the promise of future benefits like an illustrious marriage and wealth. Achilles made that choice before his wrath at the beginning of the book. The only question remains is when will he re-enter the fray. If he is delaying entering the fray to prolong his life then he is doing it at the price of many lives of his friends and compatriots, including a father figure and ultimately his closest friend - this is neither honourable nor enhancing his glory as he continues to behave like a petulant child. His threat to sail off also appears dishonest given his earlier confirmed choice of death for glory.

I would have chosen a quiet long life but then I don’t claim to have semi divine status.

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Dan Elrod's avatar

I see Achilles truly struggling to choose between the 2 fates available to him. Even though we have an inkling of what he will ultimately do, the power of the entreaties to him, particularly from Phoenix, make his struggles appear to be more than showmanship. I was particularly struck by the invitation to Phoenix to spend the night; that really seems to humanize Achilles.

The fact that Achilles has more than one fate available to him, in my mind, further complicates the theme of fate v. free will. If we have multiple fates available to us, and if we are able to choose among them, then does that mean team free will prevails? Or even if we have multiple fates available to us, they are not infinite and our choices remain limited, so is team fate dominant?

When Diomedes replies to Agammenon's order to sail back to Argos, he declares courage to be the greatest power of all, even greater than honor. (Fagles, line 44). Honor and glory are pervasive, elevated virtue in the Ilaid, but Diomedes' statement is intriguing. It suggests that courage, even if it doesn't result in honor or glory, is a superior virtue, but this doesn't necessarily seem to be the case among the Greek gods and in Homer's poems. Courage is important, but honor and glory see to take center stage most of the time. In modern times, most of us value courage, particularly self-sacrificing courage on behalf of others, as being the highest order of virtue, whereas honor and glory are just vanity.

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