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Chris L.'s avatar

I fear that our modern day Nestors are being pushed aside at a time when they are needed most. I see both modern Dolons ready to give up the game and Diomedeses willing to blur moral boundaries.

As far as being a later addition, that is interesting, but probably harder to tell from a translation rather than source texts. It definitely felt like a breather but not necessarily out of place.

I was also curious where these guys were getting lion and leopard pelts? Were there trade routes to subsaharan Africa at the time?

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Nathan Self's avatar

I think Emily Wilson's note about Book X being a later addition sums it up well (as do most of her notes). On the one hand, she points out that Book X doesn't advance the main plot, the "night raid in which the victims are taken unawares" is not typical, and even since ancient times it was believed to have been a later addition. On the other, "raiding adventures" and the story of Rhesus predate the Iliad. Apparently there was a tradition that if Rhesus and his horses drank from the Xanthos they would become immortal.

A modern study found that the language is more like the Odyssey than the rest Iliad (one element of the language difference that survives translation is that the speeches are much shorter than elsewhere, especially when Dolon is caught). Nevertheless, the writing is authentically Homeric Greek rather than later Classical era Greek, with the conclusion that it must have been added shortly after composition of the unquestioned books.

So much of the killing here seems at odds with the morality elsewhere. Diomedes kills Dolon as he's attempting to supplicate himself even though Dolon's offer of ransom seems like a reasonable offer. I could see an argument (though hypocritical) that by spying he has given up an expectation of normal dealing. Regardless Diomedes's aristeia among sleeping soldiers feels hollow.

I enjoyed the deep dive on Nestor. He has a moment of almost comic relief when he complains to Agammemnon that Menelaos should be up doing this work and keeps on talking until Agamemmnon gets a chance to explain it.

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